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		<title>Fixing CS3: All apps crash when saving</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Post updated, jump directly to the improved solutions. I spent the better part of today remotely trying to figure out why our latest Creative Suite 3 installation was crashing. Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign all crashed when saving. CS3 (Design Premium) was being installed onto a new 24&#34; iMac, everything else with the machine is fine. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Post updated, jump directly to the <a href="#update">improved solutions</a>.
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<p>I spent the better part of today remotely trying to figure out why our latest Creative Suite 3 installation was crashing. Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign all crashed when saving. CS3 (Design Premium) was being installed onto a new 24&quot; iMac, everything else with the machine is fine.</p>
<p>For whatever reason, CS3&#8242;s shared VersionCueUI.framework component was not installed. Here&#8217;s what was showing multiple times in the logs of the problem machine:</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><code>2007-08-10 19:30:33.926 Adobe InDesign CS3[919] CFLog (21): Cannot find executable for CFBundle 0x2e1b5a50 &amp;lt;<strong>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Version Cue CS3/Client/3.1.0/VersionCueUI.framework</strong>&amp;gt; (not loaded)</code></p>
<p>Even though we aren&#8217;t using Version Cue (I&#8217;ve yet to meet anyone who does), that component is necessary for all save functions. If it can&#8217;t be called, as I found to be the case here, all CS3 apps will crash out immediately upon invoking Save or Save As. We aren&#8217;t installing the Version Cue server on any stations, but I did try installing it once to see if that would fix this. It didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I re-installed. I repaired. I wiped everything with <a href="http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/cs3clean.html" title="Adobe - Adobe CS3Clean Script">maccs3clean</a>, restarted and reinstalled &#8212; three times. From two different accounts. If you&#8217;ve ever installed CS3, you know how much time that eats.</p>
<p>Then I gave up on the installer.</p>
<p>Checking <code>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Version Cue CS3/Client/3.1.0/</code> against a functioning install showed that VersionCueUI.framework had the wrong byte-count. I decided to try replacing it with a copy from a working installation.</p>
<p>Starting from a working installation, I tgz&#8217;d the framework with this command:</p>
<pre><code>tar -cvzf ~/VersionCueUI.framework.tgz VersionCueUI.framework</code></pre>
<p>Next I copied the archive to the machine with the problem install, untarred it, moved the bundle to the right directory and changed ownership to root:admin:</p>
<pre><code>tar xvfzp VersionCueUI.framework.tgz</code></pre>
<p>then</p>
<pre><code>sudo chown -R root:admin VersionCueUI.framework </code></pre>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s an easy way to integrate user, groups and permissions into the tar commands to save the chown, but after a day of dealing with this I wasn&#8217;t in the mood to look it up.</p>
<p>After that, saving from various CS3 appears to be working perfectly and updates installed without errors.</p>
<p>This experience was very similar to the solution I found to my <a href="http://joemaller.com/2007/06/27/illustrator-cs3-1301-and-applicationsif/">Illustrator 13.0.1 upgrade problems</a>. Manually doing the installer&#8217;s job solved the problem there too. </p>
<blockquote><p>Dear CS3 Installer,<br />
Thanks so much for ejecting the DVD after a failed install. Everyone I called to shove the DVD back in for me were really glad they could help.</p></blockquote>
<p><a name='update' ></a></p>
<hr />
<strong>Update:</strong> Several great self-contained solutions in comments, I&#8217;ll be trying these first if I run into this again. Thanks to everyone who posted.</p>
<ul>
<li> Dave Pijuan-Nomura&#8217;s solution looks the simplest and builds on Dusty&#8217;s earlier method:
<ol>
<li>Delete <code>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Version Cue CS3/Client/3.1.0</code></li>
<li>Run Adobe Updater</li>
</ol>
</li>
<li>Dusty was first to report success after deleting <code>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Version Cue CS3/Client/3.1.0/</code>. He also paused Adobe Updater to make a copy of the Version Cue installer, Updater will otherwise delete the file after the install fails. That standalone updater now appears to be here: <a href='http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=3639&#038;fileID=3419'>Adobe Version Cue CS3 client 3.1.0 update</a>.</li>
<li>Dave Henderleiter got it working by renaming an older version of Version Cue:<br />
<blockquote><p>In [<code>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Version Cue CS3/Client/3.1.0/</code>]&#8230; I had a 3.1.0 version and a 3.0.0 version. I deleted the 3.1.0 version and renamed 3.0.0 to 3.1.0 and all the apps worked right away without even a restart.
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<p>Faking CS3 into using older component versions makes me nervous, but several people reported success with this method.</li>
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		<title>Illustrator CS3, 13.0.1 and application.sif</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While updating several machines to CS3, one (otherwise identical) machine would not successfully complete the Illustrator 13.0.1 update. I discovered a solution which I posted to Adobe&#8217;s forums, where plenty of other people seemed to be running into the same problem. Here&#8217;s the text since their support pages are not especially Google-friendly. After spending way [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While updating several machines to CS3, one (otherwise identical) machine would not successfully complete the Illustrator 13.0.1 update. I discovered a solution which I posted  to <a href="http://adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc43ec4">Adobe&#8217;s forums</a>, where plenty of other people seemed to be running into the same problem. Here&#8217;s the text since their support pages are not especially Google-friendly.</p>
<blockquote><p>After spending way too many hours beating my head against CS3&#8242;s lethargic installer, I finally found a fix for the impossible-to-update Illustrator.</p>
<p>I should note that I&#8217;ve installed CS3 on a half-dozen machines, five of those installations were flawless (though deathly slow). The remaining one however, on identical hardware, was a disaster. (all were iMac G5s running OSX 10.4.10)</p>
<p>On this one machine, Illustrator would not update to 13.0.1. I&#8217;d already given up on Adobe Updater, so I was running the downloaded standalone Illustrator update. It failed every time at &#8220;application.sif&#8221;. In reading this thread, one line jumped out at me in the Console dump above:<em> &#8220;File to add already exists. Need not add.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Renaming the &#8220;application.sif&#8221; file inside the Illustrator application allowed the 13.0.1 update to finish. I didn&#8217;t delete the file until after the update finished, but I suspect that would work too.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the path to the file to rename/delete:</p></blockquote>
<pre><code>/Applications/Adobe Illustrator CS3/Adobe Illustrator.app/Contents/Resources/AMT/application.sif</code></pre>
<blockquote><p>To find that file, open the Illustrator CS3 application bundle (control-click on Illustrator CS3 and choose Show Package Contents). Open Contents. Open Resources. Open AMT and there it is. Rename or delete it and try running the update again.</p>
<p>Hopefully this works for more than just me.</p></blockquote>
<p>CS3 is really an exceptionally solid release, but Adobe seems to have completely dropped the ball on the installer. It&#8217;s hard to describe exactly how slow it is when things work right, should something fail and need to be re-installed you can kiss your day goodbye. In this case, I ended up losing the night as well.</p>
<p>The care and testing which went into the applications is badly served by a lousy installer, something should be done about this in the next point release. CS3 should not be stuck behind this abomination for the suite&#8217;s entire 12-18 month product cycle.</p>
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